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Do it -- now

Shoot early, shoot often, and have thousands and thousands and thousands of rounds in reserve.

Consider yourself a success if you can shoot to your heart's content AND leave thousands of rounds to your heirs.

STOCKPILE! Stop reading this thread and go buy ammo -- NOW!!!

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Midway is running a little sale untill tomorrow
http://www.midwayusa.com/static.exe/...eblast11320073

To receive your $10 off:
1. Place $175 or more of in-stock products in your shopping cart. Enter Promotion Code WEB17511 in the box entitled 'Promotion Code' on the Shopping Cart page.
2. You will see the discount on the Confirmation page before placing your order.
3. Remember, this promotion code is valid for orders placed on MidwayUSA.com.
4. Limited to one per customer and one promotion code per retail order.
5. Hurry, offer ends at 11:59 PM CT December 3, 2007.

http://www.midwayusa.com/ammunition

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Shush! Your gunna make the prices jump more!

:D

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I got a strange call from a buddy of mine yesterday.

He basically considers me a 'survivalist whacko'.

The strange part of the call is EXACTLY this subject - plus other related issues such as PM's, food, etc. His brother and he were talking and his brother said, "I bought a box (50) of 9mm about a year ago. It cost me about $5. NOW, that same box (50) of 9mm is $11 at the same store. What's going on?"

I then reminded him that I told him well over a year ago that ammo was about to double in price. I then told him that in the next YEAR (18 months at the outside) ammo will double again. POSSIBLY FOUR TIMES HIGHER.

So, if you don't have your ammo by now, it's ONLY gonna get more expensive.

Buy early, buy often. Or just do what I did. DOUBLE your ammo locker. It wasn't cheap. But in the coming months, it will DEFINITELY BE CHEAPER NOW THAN IN, SAY 2009.

Hell, the Golden Tiger I purchased about six weeks ago has almost disappeared from shelves. I bought mine at $160. Now it's AT LEAST $180, with some ammo sellers asking as much as $225. That's in just SIX WEEKS.

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Don't buy ammo buy something nice like flowers.:flowers:



Also maybe they might go down with this deflation I keep hearing.:sarc:

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I'm in the market for 8mm Mauser ammunition. Does anyone have experience with either the FNM Portugal 198 gr. Boattail or the Hirtenberger 197 gr. Boattail ammunition?
Link attached:
http://www.samcoglobal.com/ammo.html
Thanks in advance.
Take care,
Mod1

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I have over 20k, is that enough.?

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If you have to ask then clearly the answer is NO

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Man..........now you gone and made my 100 rounds of 22 rimfire seem so incomplete.:no_ma:

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the best ammo deals I have ever seen and gotten are on www.gunbroker.com

$180 / 1000rd for 7.62x39, not too much more for 1000rd of +P JHP 9mm.

I need to get more 7.62, now that I think about it. I only have 1000rd

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So heres my two cents

Even in a fire fight it takes a while to burn 200rds those of you who have 10,000 round are probably fine

I have 5,000 or so rounds for each of my weapons packed in sealed ammo cans and I feel fine . One must also consider should it become situationally imperative if one can pack out all the crap one has stored in ones basement.

Also get 22lr conversion kits for all your weapons I've gotten my money back many times over using these

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The price increase only caught me short in one area and thats .50 BMG ammo.

At the shows you can still find it but the days of $1 a round are long gone.

Oh well I guess I will just have to bite the bullet and pay out the nose now to get another 1000 rds. or so.

:D

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Not too bad. I got mine for $160 per 1k... I bought all the Golden Tiger they had. No more left. But the Wolf is still only $170.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/W...rformance.html

Ammoman is selling Golden Tiger at $190 per 1k shipped, which isn't TOO bad...

http://www.ammoman.com/index.htm

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You have to be very careful with that cheap wolf ammo. It's laquer coated steel case can become stuck in the chamber if you're firing a lot of rounds. The heat from firing causes the chamber of your gun to become hot enough to melt the laquer thus causing a build up in the chamber. I used to think that Wolf was really a great deal until my bushmaster had an empty case stuck in the chamber. You get what you pay for and you can never go wrong with the inexpensive winchester ammo. I've never had to a winchester case stuck in my chamber.

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Only stone-age Wolf has the nasty reddish lacquer. New Wolf has a lighter coating that doesn't gum up the works nearly as much.

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No worries, man! That ammo is used in an AK!

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The cheapest way to stock up on ammo is to buy a reloading outfit for about $125. That way you can load your own ammo for about 1/8 wholesale prices. I reload 454 casull ammo for 12 cents per round for target practice. Compare at $1 per round for the cheapest (Winchester) ammo I could find online. Buy the components new and assemble them yourself. If you stockpile primers, you can always obtain the other parts if ammo ever becomes illegal . Brass is reusable at least a dozen times and lead can always be scrounged for bullets if you get a mould for casting your own.

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Umm, I'm buying 5.45x39 for just under 11 cents per round delivered. You can reload for 1.375 cents per round?

I seriously doubt anyone can reload 7.62x51 cheaper than I bought mine for, even if you don't count all your reloading pariphanalia, or your time. I'm not dogging reloading, but please, don't tell me you can reload 7.62x51 for 2 cents per round, or 30 cal for 3.:rolleyes_m:

If you choose to shoot some wildcat that costs 4frns per round, that's your business, but it doesn't mean that reloading is going to save any money on regular ammo.

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wallew, what would you recommend for 7.62x39 HPs? Is wolf the only choice?

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DO tell more! Where could I find this deal??? I need to make a buy soon.

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http://www.centuryarms.biz/proddetail.asp?prod=AM1352

Sorry, it's just OVER 11 cents per (just under was ORF). They list it as 160frns per 1080 rounds, but you get a discount that brings it to 120. Buy 5 tins and you get free shipping.

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9.7 cents here...

http://www.rguns.net/008_3.html

:D

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Same here. I bought a few boxes of the Talon .50 from Sportsman's Guide right before the increase but I now look at what hesitation has cost me. Was considering buying the spotter ammo for $189.00/150, waiting, waiting, to have extra money - should have just bought some using savings and then just put it back. I knew prices weren't going to come down, I guess I just thought the supply would be around forever.

Good advice in this thread. Prices will NOT be coming down and even if President Hitlery decides to save the dollar by raising taxes, raising interest rates, or suing alcohol companies or fatty food producers, you can bet she'll be looking to tax or eliminate the sale of ammo to the public.

Again - stock up now - what good is passing on heirloom guns to your kids or grandkids if there's no ammo to shoot? ...pretty much like a car with no gas - pretty useless other than to look at.

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Steel jacketed 5.56 won't fragment, it may tuble a little or squeeze out a couple drops of lead. It's ok for shooting paper but really not worth it for this caliber.

Lacquered 7.62x39 is a good thing. AK's function correctly and have no problems with this ammo. The big upside is this stuff is highly waterproof. The new polymer case Wolf is not. The Zinc or brass washed cases are not.

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Oh yeah... one thing... we are very likely to see a large ammount of surplus 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 early next year. Word is Yugo and Port.

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Last I heard, Rguns charges shipping.

Rev, from where is the word on ammo coming? Wasn't it Portugal that was dumping it's surp in the Atlantic?

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If that's the case, it'll make for some good "investment" ammo. Price after the next election should skyrocket.

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eat_beef,
Yup I think it was $30 for 2 tins shipped.

Good god they are dumping Port in the Atlantic? That just hurts!

I am down to 3 cases of Port 7.62. That's not counting all the Radway Green, Aussy, and SA.....

gunner,
I am still working on a deal for over 1k rds. of LC ball. Friend of a friend type of deal. Says I may be able to snatch it for about 75 cents a shot. One problem is now my friend that is the connection may be getting a .50 so he wants the ammo!

-1

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I don't know the whole story of how precisely it came to be but there is 10 shipping containers packed with the stuff already bought and paid for sitting overseas. The problem is the Bastards Against Terrific Firearms have been holding up or denying Form 6's for importation. The original investor backed out and sold the lot to a large US importer who will probably be able to get it through, most likely in several smaller lots over time.

The ammo exists and has been paid for, it's all a matter of those forms and timing.

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Wow, super deal - please let me know :D

Has to be the best course of action but it's a shame since there won't be enough hitting the market at once to lower the price.

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The Yugo 7.62x39 is hitting Sportsman's Guide now. Bad news is it costs the same as other 7.62x39. It's still good ammo and I hope it helps cool the market a bit.

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So soon the residual value of a gun will be determined by

1.) Availability of Ammo
2.) Price of Ammo
3.) Rate of fire

right?

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Hey guys, I'm pretty well stocked up on ammo for my own needs, so I'm considering "going long" and stocking up on ammo for barter for TSHTF. The 3 closest Waldo-Marts near me are all stocked to the rafters with dozens of types of ammo, so I think I will take some of it off their hands.

What caliber/brand do you think would be most in demand?

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Brand wont matter. Common calibers will.
My top 9:
45cal
9mm
38
30-30
30-06
22
7.62x39
223
12ga shotgun

If in doubt, 45 or 9mm.

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12 gauge 00 buckshot, Win 45 ACP JHP or ball, Win 9mm 115 ball, 115/147 JHP, CCI 22LR Mini Mag solid or hp...at Walmart or Sportsman's Warehouse.

XM193 (.223) and Wolf MC fmj and/or hollowpoint 7.62x39...the internet :smokin:

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Not to sound like a jerk, but if the shit really hits the fan and the US et al go into utter chaos, what are you going to do with all these G's & A. I noticed a lot of the posters on this thread are from southern US. I could obviously be wrong but I'm assuming in and around fairly large populations.

So is it a last stand philosophy? Self preservation in the wilds? Guerilla warfare?

I can see farmers and country folk having a use for guns and ammo (hunting and fending off "critters":wink:), but those in any urban environment have really only one use for them...going to war with the state. Is this feasible?

Don't get me wrong. I also feel firmly that an unarmed citizenry is an enslaved citizenry. It's just when I hear comments regarding stocking thousands of rounds (especially in the context of stockpiling food), I get an image of someone hunkered down in their suburban home with food for a year thinking that they are going to fend of the gov's death squads. (I'm sure there are all kinds of circumstances out there where people have a shot at self preservation, but the above scenario seems delusional and unrealistic.)

Maybe my perception of the average 'survivalist' is the minority and they are not being set up for a huge wake up call.

Fwiw, I would rather die free (method irrelevant) than be a slave to any man or government......

Comments welcome.

PEACE, Bb

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All of the above? :D

On a serious note:

How many rounds of hunting ammo do you need? For the rest of your life?

How many rounds of ammo do you need to defend yourself in one self defense situation today? How about when there is no 9-1-1 (police) or telephone?

How many rounds of ammo do you need to shoot for the next year? How many rounds to shoot for the rest of your life rest of your life?

Yugo 7.62x39 is in at copes distributing don't know if it's the cheapest, just putting it out there.

I saw 7.62x39 Golden tiger ammo in the shotgun news that came today for $160 a case... don't recall the location right now, j&g? aimsurplus? southern ohio gun?

Side note rGuns WILL SCREW YOU. Buyer BEWARE! also the 5.45x39 they are selling is 1970's russian corrosive vs the late 80's to early 90's bulgarian for sale else where for only 9 dollars more a can.

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Rough guestimate.....

1 year = 6 turkeys, 3 deer, 50 misc. critters = 53 .22cal long and 6 shotgun.

We'll also add 6 shotgun shells and 25 .22cal for predators/pests.

Thats a subtotal of 73 .22cal longs and 12 shotgun shells.

Multiply by 35 years = 2555 .22 cal
420 shotgun shells

Multiply by bad judgment(error) factor of .5= 3832.5 (.22cal)
630 (shotgun)

Estimated cost $450.00

Short answer......not much. And this is for complete sustinance. If I have to start playing commando, I will go find a place that I don't. If I can't do that it is already too late I'm afraid.

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I am thinking ammo sales will be restricted or ammo priced out of existence...especially cheaper imported stuff...or ?

Ammo is relatively easy to stockpile now, but maybe not so later. Most people who own guns have relatively little in the way of ammo, I would wager...especially hunters.

Anyone who shoots regularly with any type of semi-auto pistol or rifle can rip off a few/several hundred/thousand rounds on a regular basis.

Then there is the reality of post-apocalypse scenario: economic, geo-political, nuclear, foreign invasion...and it will find you where ever you hide.

Whatever the scenario, a firearm without ammuntion is nothing but a short club.

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I would do the same as you have (not numbers, but calculations) and double it, not 50%... which I have. Personal preference, thats all ;)

I'm not talking about playing commando, I'm talking about defending yourself. Look at firefights by home owners and invaders in this country in peace time in rural settings, they can expand several dozen rounds... these bad guys also know the police will show up eventually.

Now look at places like Argentina, South Africa, et al. Homeowners expend hundreds of rounds fending off half-assed robbers.

I don't have a magic number. I can say based on recent real world happenings you need several hundred rounds and a platform that can fire them at a sufficient rate. Semi auto rifles such as a AR or AK (M14, M1a, G3, FAL, even pistol carbines like a semi-auto Uzi whatever) with enough magazines (clips if you have a M1 garand) to feed them are a necessity. Don't think that just because you aren't looking for a fight, the fight won't come to you. FWIW if you are finding your location under attack <insert time frame here> moving would be a prudent decision. Just make sure you can fend off one or two so you have the option of leaving vs expending all your hunting ammo (if you can actually do it with it) and being completely SOL ;)

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I'm in the dark.....shit like that does not happen where I live. However, I am not ignorant to the fact that the odd situation will arise that needs to be 'dealt' with. But I have not factored that in because I plan on laying very low::D

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Don't want to hijack.......thanks for your point of view.

Bb

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There is another reason which hasn't really been touched...

I shoot a lot. I enjoy it. I don't go to movies, I don't have a big screen TV, I shoot. I ranch cattle for a living, and I probably shoot more than most folks in "real world" situations, but 96% of the rounds I send downrange are for FUN. Oh, sure, it's practice, but practice is FUN.

Even if the poop never hits the propeller, the writing is on the wall as to restrictions on our RKBA. There may never be another time when one will have the ability either 'legally' or economically to stockpile ammo. I doubt if I have a 'lifetime' supply now, but I have enough that I can continue to shoot, albeit at a slower rate.

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Excellent point. For those not 100% familiar in firearms law history roughly 25 years ago it was illegal to ship a case of ammo cross country via mail order. Don't think for a second they can't or won't reverse the current 'privilege' of buying online aka the 'internet loophole' or whatever the hell they are going to call it.

Imagine having to try and buy ammo when the only sources are your local shops :shocked_ma:

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Good point Prometheus!

I would buy ammo before guns at this point, even in calibers you don't own or may potentially own. The stuff is going to be the new gold. Would be nice to be able to trade a 1000 rounds of ammo that you paid $150 for now for a $2,000 gun in the future.

Dave

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Please note any Australians, you are not legally allowed to own ammo in any calibres you do not have a firearm for. Crazy stuff I know.

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Wow....

What happens when you own a weapon of certain caliber, purchase ammo and then sell the weapon?

Dave

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If you bought ammo back when I started this thread you are already up a good bit this year.

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For 9mm, the price has increased around 20%. I started buying 9mm back in early Dec, for a pistol I didn't actually buy until early this month. I've quite a bit stored away. Haven't even taken the 9 out for a test fire yet. It's on the to do list.

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And YOU are the man for starting such a wonderful thread!

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shhhh... people might get the impression that I know what I'm talking about!

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Howdy! :s9: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wink: :smile: